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String through

I want to make my guitar a string through..any templates out there so I don't screw up?


Re: string through


No template...lay it out and practice on scrap with your ferrules. Practice, practice, practice!

Good luck,
John


Re: string through


Listen to John. I asked for his advice but didn't understand exactly what he was trying to tell me. After drilling the holes, I understood what he was telling me because the drill bit wandered but luckily not far enough to make the body scrap, just doesn't look professional.


Tone Freak is Freaking!!

Hey John,

Wondered if you can make some suggestions for me, as I'm really bummed with my new/old Charvel I just bought. It's a cool guitar, but it sounds like a dog. Very muffled and muddy ( on both pickups ). It's a short scale - 24.75" and the bridge pickup is angled forward like a Kramer's, which doesn't help. I believe it's made of Basswood.

The pickups are a Screamin' Demon bridge and a Hot Rails up front. Electronics is the original ( ? ) 500k mini-pot, a weird 5-way switch that looks like two 5-way switches side by side, all of which goes into a mini-switch, which can also switch to the Jackson Firestorm gain system with a 25k pot. Although they claim the 25k pot isn't muddying the mix when off because the circuit takes it out of the loop. However, the pickups sound under-powered, muddy, and with no "oomph", "punch", "drive" or "clarity." I'm using my POD 2.0 on Manual, High-Gain, High-Drive, I think the Soldano setting, etc. I tried mounting the pickup on Mahogany, but no appreciable difference. I know what the Demon should sound like and this is not it.

I'm thinking maybe bypass all the hot-rodded wiring and try a no-load pot straight to the output jack. I've done the 500k straight to volume pot before with good luck, and this is a Basswood guitar, so probably needs some brightening up. Any suggestions? Thanks!

 

Re: Tone Freak is Freaking!!

Jim -- I know what it is like to suffer from "cardboard tone" with a new guitar.

There may be two possibilities: First, the complicated wiring rig has such a high capacitance that it is sucking the high end out of your tone. Try hotwiring the pickup straight to an amp and play it - I guarantee the sound will be different..probably more open.

The second possibility is that the Lynch pickup is too hot for the body. You may want to backpedal to a PAF style and try that. The Demon is a ceramic 12K+ rig that tends to be very midrangey. I also recommend mounting the pickup directly to the body for some more coupling.

Let us know, and good luck,
John
 


Horrible action

I've gotta First Act guitar..and the neck angle is horrible..It's so obvious too. At the nut end of the neck, the action is fine. At the heel however...Its virtually unplayable. I've got the saddles on the bridge screwed down all the way, and the only way to fix it now (I'm guessing) is to fix the neck angle. How do I fix it though? Can I just replace the neck, or do I have to do some body work to it? Thank yall.

Re: horrible action

Check out our articles on setup under "repair techniques". You may find what you are looking for.

Good luck,
John

Re: horrible action

Thanks. I looked at the repair pages and I think I've found the problem. I put the capo on the first fret, and held down the string on the 15th fret to test the gap over the ninth fret, and the gap was within the specified range. So I'm thinking maybe its the neck cavity, or I'm just completely wrong. Luckily I have other guitars to fall back on and I'm not out of commission because of this one.


Fender Clay Dots

I was just wondering what kind of clay Fender used as their clay dots on pre-cbs guitars?

 Re: Fender Clay Dots

I've done some research on these, and the dots are not really clay -- they are a plastic called "Ivorine".  Ivorine was developed by the Steinway piano company as an alternative to using real ivory for piano keys.

You can buy the "clay" dots from several sources online. Let us know where you get 'em.

Good luck,
John


Re: Fender Clay Dots


where could I find some Ivorine?


Re: Fender Clay Dots


Check this link:

http://www.callahamguitars.com/partsstr.htm

The dots are near the bottom of the page.

Good luck,
John


Re: Fender Clay Dots


actually I've used these "real clay dots" and their more gray than cream. And I confirmed that your right in what they used the "Ivorine" I just cant find where to buy any? thank you for your help


Re: Fender Clay Dots


Hey Cole -- Talk to a piano restorer in your area. I bet one broken white key would provide enough dots for several guitars.

John


 Saga neck pocket Wrong?

First let me tell you this is a excellent site, very helpful. If anyone can help me; I just finished building a saga S-Style . most of the holes that were pre drilled did not line up . The neck holes did not line up and when I installed the neck the action was really high and the bridge adjusters were maxed out just so the strings cleared the frets, so my friend read that the neck pocket had to be routed deeper. We sanded it down and I believe we might have gone to far. The guitar will play now but we have fret buzzing at the 8th fret. we checked the tress rod and it seems to be right at .010 clearance at the middle fret. My question is did we take too much out of the neck pocket 1/4 inch? Can we add shims to help or is the neck frets height off? What is the standard neck pocket measure? I hope we didn't mess up too bad! Any help would be much welcomed THANK YOU


Re: Saga neck pocket Wrong?


Karl -- First, thanks for the kind words on the site.

The buzz at the 8th fret just might be a high fret. Make sure you don't have one that is just a little higher than the rest. Check this first!

You may have taken a little too much out of the neck pocket, but it sounds more like you have a neck angle problem. I make my shims out of manila folder material, and usually add them one by one.

Check the frets and let us know how it goes.

Good luck,
John

Re: Saga neck pocket Wrong?

John, just wanted to say thanks after many hours I finally found the problem it was fret #7 that was installed to deep. I had to heat it a little and pry it up on both ends and that solved the problem plus shim the neck a little , now the action is real low and no more buzzing. I hope this helps out anyone else with this problem. THANK YOU Karl


Mounting pickups directly to wood

I'm about to put a
seymour duncan JB trembucker in a Kramer focus 6000 that I have. I want to mount the pickups directly to the body to get as much tone and sustain as I can. I've heard in order to do this you would want to take a strip of wood that's long enough to stretch to both screw clips on the side of the pickup but just only as wide as those clips so that the wood doesn't obstruct the pole pieces sticking out the bottom of the pickup. Do I have the right idea here, or would it be wiser to just use two smaller pieces of wood: one at either end of the pickup for the mounting screws to go through before they go into the body?
Another idea that I've heard is to not have the mounting screws go through the wood spacer but rather to just have the mounting screws going from the pickup directly into the body.
thanks in advance as any input would be appreciated.


Re: Mounting pickups directly to wood


David -- This is how I mounted the pickup in my VH guitar featured on the site. First, measure exactly where you want the guitar to sit -- this is the distance under the strings. Next, I would use two pieces of suitable wood -- probably basswood in your case, but you could use mahogany -- and cut and sand them so they sit under the "feet" of the pickup at the appropriate height. They won't interfere with your pole pieces there. Finally, when you are satisfied with the fit of the pickup on the little wooden platforms (this may take a while), glue the platforms in place. Once the glue is dry, use small wood screws to affix the pickup to the wooden platforms.

This is how I did it -- please be careful if you give it a try. If you find a better way to do it, let us know.

Good luck,
John


Re: Mounting pickups directly to wood


Before I suggest you look at this site, I want to make it clear that I'm not an Ed Roman fan, but it is good information: www.edroman.com.  Go to tech articles then Direct Coupling.


Re: Mounting pickups directly to wood


Hi,

This is the lazy man's way to mount a pickup directly to the body of the guitar. I taped a piece of white paper onto the bottom of my pickup cavity. Then I put the pickguard on the guitar and positioned it where it would eventually sit. I traced the outline of the pickup hole onto the piece of paper as carefully as I could. ( I have copper shielding and didn't want to screw that up - hence the paper ). I positioned the pickup and lightly screwed it in. It was positioned correctly, so I got my piece of mahogany and cut that to fit. Then I placed it underneath the pickup and screwed them both to the bottom of the cavity, using the existing screw-holes. Voila!

It sounds KILLER! I got the mahogany idea from John and the way he did his VH guitar. This was in an inexpensive Squier Strat, with a $20 distortion-type pickup, and now it's my best-sounding guitar! Thanks, John!


Weird bridge problem

For years I've had a problem with my guitar where after I've put new strings on it and reset the bridge and tuned it to an E, it drops to almost an E flat all the time. All strings go down in tuning by an equal amount. This has been going on for probably a good five years or so if not longer.
Due to a medical condition I had to stop playing for a couple years. I'm back to playing again and have noticed an even bigger problem with my guitar. It still does the same thing it used, with all the strings going flat, but now if I pull the vibrato bar up my strings will all go a little sharp and will still there until I use the bar again. If I push down on it the strings drop about 3/4 of a full step in tone and will stay that way until I use the bar again.
Does this sound like anything anybody has ever heard of before? All the guitar players I know and have asked have never even heard of this happening before. Any help would be appreciated.


Re: Weird bridge problem


Soooo many possibilities. Before I give you a few things to try, it might be best to take it in to a technician to diagnose. Or you can try these...
Make sure when you re-string, to wind the strings 4-5 times around the tuning pegs.
Are you using a graphite (or other slippery) nut? if not try a little pencil mark in the string slots.
Is your tremolo in good repair? is it clean? does it bind anywhere?
 

Re: Weird bridge problem

how many springs do you have on your tremolo, if you use a heavier string you need more springs, my brother was having that same problem so I thought I might ask.


Re: Weird bridge problem


Well ... I've done a lot of reading up on this subject lately. I grabbed my whammy bar and dove as low as it would go and then let it go back to it's "natural" resting position. I then removed the locking system and tuned it to an E. That seems to have solved most of my problems. The guitar still does not hold at a perfect E ... it drops a little bit. Now I'd say it's only dropping about 1/4 of a step. But every time I tune it back to an E (with the fine tuning) and play it for a bit it drops again. And of course every time I have to tune it back up the bridge lifts a bit.
I use light gauge strings ... the high e is .09 or whatever. I have not opened the back to see how many springs are there yet or the position in which they are.


Re: Weird bridge problem


Angel -- Two things come to mind. You've got a problem with the nut, and you need to adjust your tremolo bridge. Try some
Big Bend's nut sauce on your nut (or some lanolin/graphite mixture), and think about another spring or adjusting the claw on the back.

I recommend taking it to a tech and letting him set it up. I also recommend Ernie Ball strings.

John

 
Re: Weird bridge problem


This may be a bit simplistic, but do you stretch the strings as you're installing them? When I restring my guitars I always tune them to pitch, then pull them up gently off the fretboard a few times then retune. I do this until stretching stops making them go flat, then retune the whole guitar. Sometimes the guitar will go flat one more time, but usually it stays in tune really well after that. If this is something that you already do, and you still have your problem, then I apologize for wasting your time.


Fretboards and Inlays

Hello,

I am going to buy one of the Les Paul Saga kits. What I want to do is put a mother of pearl inlay in the head stock. How much trouble would this be? I also have found the fret boards on eBay with the inlay already done, how hard is it to get the fretboard off? If that is too much trouble how hard is it to pull the inlay dots out of the fretboard and put in the mop dots? Last question I to am wanting to stain the quilted veneer on the top. What would you suggest using to get the sealer off?

Thanks,
Chris

 Re: Fretboards and Inlays

The inlay on the headstock would be pretty easy. As far as the neck goes, you can pull the fingerboard, but this is a job for someone with experience because you kind wind up wrecking the neck...I don't recommend a casual builder try this. You can drill out the old dot markers and install new ones. The only challenge is to get them flush with the fingerboard -- imparting a curve on them --without removing the frets.

I use CitriStrip to strip my Saga guitars. One word about the maple tops. The sealer gets into the wood, and if you want a real PRS maple "pop" effect, it probably isn't going to happen.

Good luck,
John


Re: Fretboards and Inlays


While we're on the subject of Saga LP kits, I just built one and I have a few tips for you...

1. Make sure to dry fit the neck before you paint.

2. When attaching the neck, I found that the screws that Saga included were only long enough to get about 2-3 threads into the neck. I bought some longer screws that allowed me to get a good "bite" into the neck. Be careful though, even the longer screws felt like they wanted to strip out the wood.

3. Make sure you can put the pots and p-up selector through from the back and have ENOUGH threads to get the ring nuts on. I didn't do this and after painting, I attempted to assemble the electronics. I found that the milling shop at Saga did not bore the cavities deep enough to allow the threads to clear the front side of the guitar. I had to go out and get a 1-1/2" Forstner bit and bore the cavities out enough to do so.

4. When you set the Saddle and Bridge pegs in, have the saddle and bridge handy. Because of the curvature of the body, the pegs will want to "lean out" as you pound them in. I actually had to use the bridge and saddle on the pegs as I drove them in to keep them straight so I could get the saddle and bridge on the pegs. That was kind of tricky. I used a rag over the pegs to prevent marring and taking the cheap "chrome" covering off.

5. Apparently the new generation of LP kits don't have the harsh lacquer on the fingerboard like the old kits, mine didn't have it. I was able to uses a high grit paper and just sand the finger board down well, wipe clean with a damp cloth and apply some rub-on poly immediately. This may not be the case with yours, you'll find out. It seems like a crap shoot with Saga's kits.

6. Finally, if you have decent soldering skills, I suggest re-doing ALL of the wiring and soldering. You can tell the cheapest wire, solder and labor was used when the "pre-made" electronics were assembled. I opted to use shielded wire and high quality Kester solder.

Anyways, I don't want to scare you away from what will be a very rewarding project. I just want to warn you of some of the problems I ran into with the Saga LP kit. After this one, I am hesitant to buy another, but I am tempted to try the Tele kit.

After all of that, here is a link to the pictures I took during the whole building process:

http://www.ke4nyv.com/guitar/lespaul/

Good luck,
Jason.


Re: Fretboards and Inlays


I have built two of the Saga kits. The S-Style kit guitar is the one I always reach for out of my whole herd. A couple of things though. The neck I think
plays like a 75.00 guitar. I went and bought a Mighty Mite maple neck. I also as time went by changed the pick ups, the ones that came with it just didn't have the kick. After those changes the thing is in my opinion just ducky. The PRS kit is an ongoing process. It takes a lot of work to get these things just right, and maybe you may have to settle for "just close enough". The maple top on the PRS is maybe .01" (10 mil) thick In an attempt to strip the
armor plated clear coat off I actually went through the veneer(so much for a dyed finish). But I've had a grate deal of fun building them, I've also learned a lot as well. If I'm correct, the same guy on eBay that sells raw inlays also is selling inlaid necks for both strat and LPs these days. Perhaps you could buy a whole neck and save a lot of trouble. Anyways, good luck.


Re: Fretboards and Inlays


Inlay is and art and needs to be practiced. I am learning myself and can still only do basic designs. If you have the tools, practice on scrap wood, start simple and go up. Your first try should not be on a neck, unless you have that much money!


Saga Kit questions

I'm new to guitar playing and I'm looking for an el-cheapo type electric to get started with. I kind of thought that it might be fun to build one.

I see that some have been built here and I was wondering what the general impression was. You've built more than one, so I'm guessing they must be at least passable.

Anyway, I'm not exactly handy - What is the skill level of these kits? My wife took all of the tools out of my toolbox and replaced them with business cards from local contractors.

I've seen a few sites that have built them. Most seem to throw in a few extra tricks or parts. Is the base kit worth the trouble?

Saga is the only kit company I've found, are there any others out there that you can recommend?

 

Re: Saga Kit questions

Chuck -- The Saga kits are fun to build, and I recommend them for the curious/fun seeker as well as luthier wanna-be types. Put it together before you put a finish on it...you'll be glad you did.

Follow the instructions on our site, and we are ready to help you out.

Good luck,
John

 

Re: Saga Kit questions

The Saga kit is indeed fun to build, but if you're "not exactly handy" it may be a frustrating experience. Also, they are probably pretty difficult to assemble using contractor's business cards

A much nicer kit is available from Carvin at www.carvin.com , but you'll pay for the improvement, more than double the Saga kit.

That said, I'm helping my son-in-law to finish his Saga kit, and it is beautiful. We're having some trouble with the neck, as some of the frets are choking the strings on bends, but I don't think that it will be anything insurmountable.

Take John's advice, and build it dry before you finish it, find any problems before you paint it, it will save you trouble in the end.

Have fun!!!
 


Neck relief nightmare

Well, the Saga kit is pretty much finished, and now that I've been crowing about how any problems with this kit are minor, we've come across a major one: The neck has significant back-bow that is not being relieved by loosening the truss rod. I've read and followed the method for adjusting the relief of the neck, to no avail.

Is there a way to adjust the bow of the neck itself, independent of the truss rod? Remove/replace the rod? Is it the rod or the neck or both that is bad? Please help!


Re: Neck relief nightmare


If you can wait a few days we are going to post a feature on how to accomplish this task. Seems that a T-Style Saga we built has the exact same problem.

Bottom line -- You can clamp the neck and heat it to try to get the backbow out. If it doesn't work, major surgery is involved -- removing the fingerboard and working the wood. Always try the easy route first!

Good luck,
John


Les Paul intonation

I recently had my les paul set up, and the tech mentioned that he COULD NOT get the 'A' string 'IN'. 1. Just what does that mean?
2. Can it be bad for my guitar?
3. Can this be fixed?

Thanks
 

Re: Les Paul intonation

He was telling you that he couldn't adjust the "A" string to fret properly at the nut and the 12th fret. This means the string is sharp or flat when sounded at the 12th fret. Without looking at the guitar it is tough to tell, but assuming it is a Gibson Les Paul, it is hard to imagine that a good tech couldn't get it to intonate properly. I would start at the nut -- but again, I'm only guessing.

Good luck,
John


Using tape to make a design?

I am planning on using tape to make a checkered design on my guitar body. (It is a Saga tele, if it makers) I am going to use the dupli-color auto paint.

My questions are: How many coats should I put over the tape? And how soon after I paint should I remove the tape?

I don't want know if the paint will chip or peel if it hardens before removing the paint.

Anyone feel free to add any suggestions.


Re: Using tape to make a design?


Put just enough paint over the tape to cover the paint below -- don't really load it up. I would remove the tape as soon as it feels dry to the touch.

Good luck,
John


Pickup Winding & Potting

Hello All

Guerilla wax potting!
We didn't have a guerilla wax potting rig, so that will have to wait until we get home.
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I bought at the local Mills Fleet Farm a:
One Quart, Crockpot for $9.
It has Low/High on the temp dial.
It has a Metal Base and a Ceramic Insert.
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I have potted several pickups on "High" using cut up bits of coat-hanger wire to hold the pickup one inch from the bottom of the Ceramic insert and it seems to work well for me so far. I buy monster candles at the local hobby store for a dollar or two to use as my potting wax.
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As always your results may vary.
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Next Project:
A 69 Thinline!!!

Rock On!!!
Greg

 
Re: Pickup Winding & Potting


Greg -- You should have gone by the $1 store and bought some marbles. A great way to keep the pickups off the bottom of the pot!

John


Pickup Winding & Potting


Ok, I know this is a stupid question, but.....what exactly is potting and why is it done?

 

Re: Pickup Winding & Potting

Potting the pickups encases them in wax to prevent the windings from vibrating, thus preventing microphonic feedback and squealing at playing volumes.

Note: The original PAFs and Fenders from the 50's were not potted, and I think potting pickups changes their tone. Just my opinion.

Good luck,
John


Chipped Enamel and Hairline Cracks in Basswood

My Ibanez RG 320 DX guitar has chipped enamel. After a while this caused hairline cracks to form in the basswood.

 

Re: Chipped Enamel and Hairline Cracks in Basswood

Wow, is that just the paint that's come off the body? It looks like there's a giant chunk of the horn missing. I read somewhere on Guitar Attack that super glue (cyanoacrylate or CA to us RC car guys ) will really glue wood together when it's cracked. I know that it works for RC airplanes, they have all different thicknesses of CA, plus gap filling materials at most hobby shops.

 

Re: Chipped Enamel and Hairline Cracks in Basswood

Commander -- There are two thing you need to accomplish: stabilizing the crack, then repairing the finish. I would use water-thin CA glue, available from a hobby shop, to stabilize the crack. Once I was satisfied with the stability of the crack, I would touch the poly finish up with a comparable color poly from http://www.paintscratch.com/ . They'll have your color.

Just my opinion...try at your own risk!
Good luck,
John


 Filling wood grain?

Do I need to fill the wood pores on a saga kit to get a good finish? I read the re-ranch instructions and he said that it's needed, but I didn't see you mention on the Mattocaster and other saga kit projects.

Thanks.

 
Re: Filling wood grain?


Jake -- The bodies are basswood, which normally don't require filling. The Sagas come with a thick sealer on their bodies. If you do manage to get it off, there will be very few pores to fill. Make sure you prime the body, though. I still prefer BINS shellac.

Good luck,
John


Tele Headstock template

John I was wondering if I could get a copy of the template for cutting out the Tele headstock that you used? I getting ready to build one for my daughter.

Thanks

 
Re: Tele Headstock template


Big Dave -- I don't keep those templates around. I normally make them one off because I don't have much of a demand.

What I did is go to the Fender site and find the instrument I want to use as a guide:

http://www.fender.com/support/

Once I find what I am looking for, I blow the drawing up until the tuner hole spacing matches the Saga neck. I use some artistic impression, sketch the outline on the paddlehead, and start cutting. I usually make the outline "close", but not exact, and I mark the necks with my mark. I don't want folks selling them as the real thing.

Good luck,
John


Just a thought / saga kit quality

Frankly, for 50$ more than the average Saga kit, you can usually buy a decent guitar. The only reason to go with a kit like Saga's is so that you get to enjoy the build process, and that part doesn't seem to be working out these days.

Maybe a good alternative would be to source the parts individually from the internet/eBay?

its just a suggestion, but maybe someone knowledgeable could post a check list of the parts necessary for someone to build a "saga-type" guitar? Then we could roll our own kits. Who knows, maybe even save some money?


Re: Just a thought / saga kit quality


I had the same thought. On my Black T-Style project I changed the tuners, changed the bridge, changed the pickguard, stripped and repainted the entire neck and body, and rewound the pickups. Other than that, the Saga kit was killer.

Just kidding -- I agree...the reason to buy a kit is to enjoy the process and learn something about the guitar. Modelers have been "kit bashing" for years to get what they are looking for. I suppose we should be happy to do the same thing.

Good luck,
John

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